Wikipedia Strawberry English version

ank99

I have been using Strawberry for a few weeks now and frankly I found what I missed for a long time. A full featured player with excellent playback. Thank you. I just joined this forum....

I have done a lot of work on Wikipedia in the past, mostly on the Greek version, so I took the liberty or reviving the draft English version for Strawberry, There is still some work to fix errors and things before we submit it for review to be generally published. I would appreciate anyone pointing any errors or maybe new things to include. You can find the article Here. Of course anyone can contribute directly if you wish.

jonas

@ank99

Since I'm the author/maintainer of the software I shouldn't edit directly, but I see the following:

"MacOS" should be "macOS"
"fork of the Clementine program in its version 1.3.1". This isn't actually correct, Strawberry wasn't actually forked from a specific release version of clementine, but various git revisions.
"Qt toolkit" should probably be "Qt framework", that's what it's officially called from the Qt Company and on Wikipedia.

Under differences:

"compatible with Qt 5 and Qt 6"

Qt 5 is no longer supported, only Qt 6.

Under References:

Points to the source code for about.cpp, an older version from 2016 for Clementine, this is probably not relevant, the authors/contributors are listed in the same file in Strawberry.
4-5. lists the same URL.
Contains a broken URL to "differences from Clementine", this URL hasn't worked for many years, the correct URL is https://wiki.strawberrymusicplayer.org/wiki/Differences_from_Clementine
Links to the Privacy Policy on the Clementine website, this isn't relevant for Strawberry as far as I can see.
Links to a Clementine issue where some users claim it collects data, even though this is a connection, and no data is leaked/collected. In any case it isn't relevant for Strawberry since it does not use the songkick service at all.

ank99

@jonas
Thanks for the pointers. I believe I have made all the changes. The article is now published (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_(Software). Please take a look.

jonas

@ank99

Looks like the article is marked for deletion: "An editor has nominated this article for deletion.": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Strawberry_(software)

With the reason "Fails WP:GNG The only references are to Github and other hosting sites. It does not demonstrate any sort of notability. My searches have come up empty on anything more substantial".

I don't understand the reasoning, but if someone who's not heard of it attempt to google "Strawberry" to find anything, that's obviously too generic word to return anything about "Strawberry Music Player". even "strawberry software" just returns the official website. For some reason there is no mention of the official full name of Strawberry in the Wikipedia article.
Maybe the article should use the the full official name "Strawberry Music Player" instead of just "Strawberry"? That's what's done for Guayadeque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software), although Wikipedia mostly have articles for old discontinued players.
But I don't know the reason why it's listed as simply "Strawberry (Software)" in the first place

jonhd

@ank99 I had one experience of attempting to create a Wikipedia page (it was for a UK local radio station - broadcasting on both FM and DAB - all official stuff - attracts plenty of advertising - basically pretty successful). Once a moderator (or whatever they're called) gets their teeth into your submission, it becomes a labyrinthine nightmare. After months of to'ing & fro'ing, I gave up. Never returned to editing - it was a daunting, hostile, unhelpful experience.

jonas

@jonhd

That's my impression too. Over half of the music/audio players that actually have a Wikipedia have been abandoned/discontinued for many years, also if you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software, it's almost as they do not want updates.

But it might be worth to address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Strawberry_(software), if someone can comment on it, maybe it's enough to rename the article, or add more references to other articles on the web. I probably shouldn't do it as I'm directly associated

ank99

@jonas @jonhd
As a contributor I have received the following note from Wikipedia:

"A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Strawberry (software), to which you have significantly contributed, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or if it should be deleted.

The discussion will take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strawberry (software) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Strawberry_(software)) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. "

Anyone interested: please support the preservation of this article. This can be done by inserting a comment starting with the word Keep in bold. It is best to offer some suggestion or argument why such an action is beneficial to Wikipedia and follows its rules especially countering the editor's argument that this piece of software is NOT notable (ie verifiable from reliable and independent sources).

Alternatively, please state your arguments here and I will transfer them to Wikipedia. Most importantly we are looking for technical web platforms that have reviews, in any way, of Strawberry.

jonhd

@ank99 yeah, did make a plea, shortly before your 'Keep' message...

jonas

These well known sites with lists of music/audio players mentions Strawberry, reliable sources with name of the person writing the article:

Reviews of Strawberry from well known sites with the name of the article author:

If you google "music player linux" or "audio player linux", the official website for Strawberry comes up 4th, and 6th place in the results, you also find many articles mentioning Strawberry.

jonas

They voted to the delete the article. No-one added any reliable sources and the article was stripped for content by the same guy who nominated it for deletion.
The links on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Strawberry_(software) for "sources" points to "strawberry software", which obviously does not find much relevant for "Strawberry Music Player".
I think there are more references available than many other music players which has a wkipedia page, but I believe this is a result of the article being named incorrectly in the first place and lacking sources, no-one actually pointed to them in the time it was up for discussion.