Strawberry is all that's left among music players, here's why... And here's why to consider developing it further...
I cannot believe I am the only person on earth who simply accepts the problems with modern music players, and thus far Strawberry has avoided these pitfalls, but there's room for improvement. It's either Strawberry or ancient software that already performed well on the Win PC desktop... 20 years ago....
- Do not eff with my files through automation. Don't move directories, don't rename or edit tags on your own, do not delete anything on your own, do not search my entire PC for what you consider music. I am not insane, every modern player WILL scour, organize through file system of the OS, and modify mp3's. How many times have I had to us a shadow volume to get back my music after "the best" software decided how I want to preserve my collection was up to it? Even Auto Metadata in other players will modify the original mp3, overwriting the tags, when that should be left in the separate database. SMP doesn't do that. It hasn't deleted, renamed, rearranged directories, applied tags, just hasn't happened.
POINT #! SMP doesn't do that. It leaves your files alone unless told otherwise. LEAVE MY FILES ALONE. SMP does that
EXPERIENCE: iTunes, WMP, MusicBee, and more WILL try to index and sort your music even across NTFS network volumes and worse, control it internally by modifying the FS, directories get renamed, de-duplicates happen to the FS itself, files get converted to a different format and kept in a special directory hierarchy (iTunes) all without your consent, files get deleted, made only accessible via the storage container's hidden volumes, I have no idea why, but on Windows and Mac this is a huge issue.
Separate database. I know I am a freak for possessing and managing my own files, within the file system, how I want it to be. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT FILES I WANT IN MY PLAYER, AND ORGANIZE THEM IN YOUR OWN STORAGE NOT MY FILE SYSTEM. SMP does that. and can be directly modified if the need arises.
Interface that doesn't restrict how I access my music. SMP needs help here, but up against UWP and recent FOSS or paid players, if I know the name of a song or artist or album or non de-dedupp'ed version, it doesn't take me half an hour to find it.
There is a lot lacking from SMP that deserves the development community to evolve it, and as a programmer myself I will explore possible contributions, as this is one of the only active FOSS music player....
DON'T DO TOO MUCH. I don't want you to be an all-purpose media player, editor, etc. I don't need to open up Ozzy Osbourne and see my wife's latest dog video somewhere on down the list. I don't need to see my recorded xoom audio sessions in my library marked "Unknown". SMP let's you tell it where your files are.
and a half dozen more "SMP hasn't gone there yet" kind of reasons it's the last hope for functional music.
Thank you dev team for giving hope to a generation of music players.
@xkillurfacex In my utter frustration with Apple, and their revamps of programs to act more like shopping storefronts, rather than what they should be, I've been shocked to find that there are few alternatives to their applications. iTunes became Music, and at first I thought it was so much better than the bloated mess iTunes had become. That is, until I began to realize that Apple had tweaked Music to act less the music library I had needed and more the carnival barker for Apple Music Streaming. I also realized that in Apple's revamping of this application (as well as the other sorry excuse, Books), its functionality was becoming more and more limited.
Sadly, there are only a handful of alternatives to Music –– that is, if you wish to consider them so. Yet here I am, almost a year after having stumbled upon SMP still desperate and cranky, in need of an alternative music library & player. Although Strawberry is designed rather differently (having so much more functionality than Music) I again sit frozen. Because there still exists that same old wretched problem when considering straying away from the Apple ecosystem. . .
The fear is that at some point, SMP will cease to be supported by its more technically advanced users. The users who tinkle and prod with its insides to make it better (or worse, depending on your viewpoint). If, like me, you are one with a massive music and audiobook library, it becomes more difficult to commit to a new player, especially if you find any signs - any signs at all that interest is waning or none at all anymore in sustaining it. A few things I look for when considering a new application is update frequency or lack thereof. Also, I look for inconsistent dates regarding website copyright, among other visual cues as well. More importantly, I look for other, much more important things such as how it works (or does it even) with other Apple devices. How does it work to transfer, update, sync, etc., if at all? Does it have a companion app for the iPhone? Can you output the sound to both an external blue tooth speaker (while still having sound tunnel through your desktop's internal speaker at the same time) etc., etc.?
I have found a few of these concerns with the SMP website, and that is sad (and frightening). The mentioning on the front page that there are no Mac users currently working on the application, therefor no further changes or updates are in the works, was even more earth-shattering to me. But whether this is actually still true, or just someone forgetting to update the front page of the website, I don't know. In either case, again, it doesn't give me great confidence.
I would love desperately to run –– not walk, away from Apple's "Music" app, and yesterday! But so far there have only been two alternatives that seem to allow for the same kind of user functionality, –– SMP and another whose name I forget at the moment. Because sadly, the other alternative had not been updated in a number of years. . .
So, what am I trying to say in all this?
I am deeply frustrated, and profoundly shocked at what appears to be an unbelievable situation. I am astounded that at what appears to be tens of millions of Apple users, there seems to be few who seem to get riled or even care about the lack of real alternatives. At least along the lines that give users the ability to manipulate and maintain their own personal music libraries the way they see fit. As if by the current lack of existence for such apps today, it is to say,
"We're all be just fine as angel hair to pay a monthly subscription fee for streaming music because, after all. . . we're just Apple suck-ups. We enjoy taking it up our back-ends while being forced to use our very expensive devices –– our desktops the way Apple wants us too, rather than how we want it to. And we are even more gleeful at having various monthly subscription charges for this and that along the way."
Either I am missing something entirely, or the way I've come to perceive this issue, is true. Yes, maybe twenty years ago, when Apple was clawing and grasping its rotting carcass out of the pit it had made for their grave, I could understand the lack of application alternatives. But two decades later? Especially since Apple has not only survived, it has done so spectacularly?
I have had Strawberry sitting on my HD for a number of months now, and only yesterday I opened it again just to tinker. Because Apple Music, once again, was acting like the stupid brat child it has been restructured to be.
But again, am I anywhere near able to be committed to switching to Strawberry yet?
Wellllll. . . I'm still a good twenty feet –– far from jumping off that cliff at the moment. Actually, I feel as if I don't even know how to strap my parachute on, let alone use it for what it was made for. And I may remain frozen like this for some time, until I see some sign of encouragement that SMP is going to continue to grow as a viable alternative to Music. And after twenty-something years using Apple's iTunes and Music, I am in need of that encouragement so very desperately!
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@xkillurfacex Certanly, the outlook is bleak. Even as a Windows user, I can say I agree with you, there's literally no alternative such as Strawberry which, in my opinion too, respects the user and his files, not adding all the bullshit the player considers music just because he wants. Not to mention I feel more comfortable with Strawberry because of its simple but also complete interface, audio controls, and also it includes Genius as a lyric provider, which is my favorite provider and it's really useful for people like me who sometimes wants to read the lyrics of the songs and not just put the music in the background while I do other things. Speaking about recent software, I literally cannot found another software with the SMP characteristics or at least some of them, even considering Windows has more dedicated software, with the Microsoft Store in Windows 10 for example. The only promising software I found was GOM Audio Player, but the interface is horrible, and the audio rendering is worse.
So, despite of Windows having alternatives, none of them can comprate with SMP, at least that's what I have found in my explorations. And if we speak about obsolete software, the sight is darker, because, for example, SMP is a 100% improved version of Clementine, which was an excellent software. From then on, the rest of the obsolet software is, how you could expect, obsolete. Clementine, Amarok, and other softwares which doesn't have more updates anymore, are stuck. And since SMP is also an open-source software, and a fork of Clementine and Amarok, if you were a fan of those mentioned softwares like me, you have an all-in-one with SMP. Now, the reason why I'm talking about Windows is because the guy above me (Or below me, I dunno) spoke about MacOS, operating system with probably EVEN less options. Especially considering how Apple quit iTunes and now they replaced their trustworthy player with Apple Music, software that brings more problems than solutions for those who have music in files and not in streaming. Frankly, streaming sucks, some of us just want to listen the music in the original MP3, FLAC or M4A files without paying a monthly suscription. Not to mention some albums of avantgarde/experimental music are Bandcamp-exclusive, meaning you can only buy them in Bandcamp as a digital download, or as a physic disc in the store of the band, though that's irrelevant for the isssue here. If I want to listen my fresh and recently bought album from Bandcamp in Apple Music, looks like I can't because Apple Music behaves as a little child who wants to make a tantrum, for not listening to the artists he wants, in the streaming plataform. No, thanks! Even Microsoft has Windows Media Player, and not an streaming plataform, thank God! Despite of WMP beign obsolete, at least works better than Apple Music, though it doesn't respect much your files too; Im looking at you, bucking Music Library in WMP.
So, in conclusion, yes, looks like even in Windows, SMP is the only one left. This is why I encourage to anyone who enjoys this software to donate and keeping alive the project. SMP is a pretty new Music Player, and in spite of it, brings too many good options and interesting ideas to the table. Probably people may thought we are only worshipping insanely the work done with SMP, however the true insanity here is how the rest of the alternatives, despite of having more time and experience in the market of music players, have worse characteristics or functions than SMP.
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Apple Music is primarily a music streaming service. There are no incentives for large companies to make software anymore, there is too little money in it for them.
As for Strawberry, the information about macOS support on the website is not outdated, it's more relevant than ever.
Strawberry depends on volunteers, and there are very few, almost none, and no-one helping with macOS issues.
Users should not consider the macOS releases release quality, but for some users it's better than not having any support for macOS at all.
The only reason we have them at all is because in 2018 I borrowed a mac and put a lot of work and effort into getting the macOS releases going with the thought that it would trigger community interest, but there is still no-one so the situation is that I'm stuck with it along with everything else.
Making Windows releases is a lot of work on it's own, which includes maintaining the build infrastructure with circa 50 libraries Strawberry depends on.
There have been almost no-one committed to helping out with anything related to macOS for almost 5 years with the exception of some minor things like the dmg installer and the global shortcuts, but that was years ago.
I've ended up doing everything, and I don't even have a mac which of course makes it very difficult.
I guess it is understandable, very few are willing to work for mostly for free on their spare time, and fewer and fewer users actually care about music players anymore, most use streaming services these days.